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	<title>Comments on: Co-operatives:  The Democracies of our Economy?</title>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-262</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Raymond, those are great points; and very valid. It is definitely a stretch to say that corporations are the dictatorships of the economy. I do think they have a lot in common though; for starters, I think the majority of corporations, even public ones, are dominated by a few holding companies or families; Berkshire Hathaway, the Waltons and Rockefellers; much like… House of Saud or the Somozas in Nicaragua; and one vote for every dollar isn’t democratic; “demos” means people, not money. In a corporation, people with money vote on how to become richer; and how to benefit themselves, not the business per se, its customers or its employees. Likewise corporate pay structures are unimaginably unfair, undemocratic and autocratic.

I absolutely agree consumers, individuals, voters and investors all share in the blame; for voting the way they do, for investing the way they do, consuming, spending, complaining, and most important, to quote JFK, enjoying the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. To refer to &lt;a href=&quot;http://eecampaign.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/if-big-is-bad-and-small-is-better-whats-the-right-scale-to-be-democratic-and-have-impact/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phyllis’ post&lt;/a&gt;, and this sense that “bigger is better”, Americans seem to feel that “bigger is smarter”; that we no longer need to question leaders or employers. That is certainly the downfall of democracy. 

 It does also make me think of the economic melt-down, not that it&#039;s an easy target right now or anything, but those banks were lending our money; all the Americans who have bank accounts and retirement plans, and everyone who pays taxes. We are responsible for allowing the people we trust with our money to lose it and go out of business. As a whole, we have lost our connection, ownership and accountability to/of the system we’ve created, and tacitly “vote” for every day but not challenging it.

Thanks for calling me out, Raymond. I’ll look forward to hearing more from you.

Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond, those are great points; and very valid. It is definitely a stretch to say that corporations are the dictatorships of the economy. I do think they have a lot in common though; for starters, I think the majority of corporations, even public ones, are dominated by a few holding companies or families; Berkshire Hathaway, the Waltons and Rockefellers; much like… House of Saud or the Somozas in Nicaragua; and one vote for every dollar isn’t democratic; “demos” means people, not money. In a corporation, people with money vote on how to become richer; and how to benefit themselves, not the business per se, its customers or its employees. Likewise corporate pay structures are unimaginably unfair, undemocratic and autocratic.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree consumers, individuals, voters and investors all share in the blame; for voting the way they do, for investing the way they do, consuming, spending, complaining, and most important, to quote JFK, enjoying the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. To refer to <a href="http://eecampaign.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/if-big-is-bad-and-small-is-better-whats-the-right-scale-to-be-democratic-and-have-impact/" rel="nofollow">Phyllis’ post</a>, and this sense that “bigger is better”, Americans seem to feel that “bigger is smarter”; that we no longer need to question leaders or employers. That is certainly the downfall of democracy. </p>
<p> It does also make me think of the economic melt-down, not that it&#8217;s an easy target right now or anything, but those banks were lending our money; all the Americans who have bank accounts and retirement plans, and everyone who pays taxes. We are responsible for allowing the people we trust with our money to lose it and go out of business. As a whole, we have lost our connection, ownership and accountability to/of the system we’ve created, and tacitly “vote” for every day but not challenging it.</p>
<p>Thanks for calling me out, Raymond. I’ll look forward to hearing more from you.</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Robertson</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raymond Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this post makes a lot of great points, and it certainly would be great if the world had many many more cooperatives.  Just for the sake of discussion, however, I would like to point out that it may be a little hasty to equate corporations, especially public ones, with dictatorships.  Shareholders, in theory, have a vote and therefore a say in how the company is run.  Shareholders may number into the thousands, making them look more democratic than the dictatorship term might suggest.  Furthermore, where to those billions of dollars that the corporations have come from?  They come from consumers who, effectively, &quot;vote&quot; with their dollars.  The rise of organic food in markets across the country are examples of what happens when consumers &quot;vote&quot; with their dollars.  

Therefore, we need to make sure that we keep making sure that consumers are educated as much as possible, that they have many alternatives (small is much better for us), and that we keep bringing attention to global poverty so that everyone who votes in every form can make good decisions.  Nick&#039;s post is a great example of that, and I look forward to more!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post makes a lot of great points, and it certainly would be great if the world had many many more cooperatives.  Just for the sake of discussion, however, I would like to point out that it may be a little hasty to equate corporations, especially public ones, with dictatorships.  Shareholders, in theory, have a vote and therefore a say in how the company is run.  Shareholders may number into the thousands, making them look more democratic than the dictatorship term might suggest.  Furthermore, where to those billions of dollars that the corporations have come from?  They come from consumers who, effectively, &#8220;vote&#8221; with their dollars.  The rise of organic food in markets across the country are examples of what happens when consumers &#8220;vote&#8221; with their dollars.  </p>
<p>Therefore, we need to make sure that we keep making sure that consumers are educated as much as possible, that they have many alternatives (small is much better for us), and that we keep bringing attention to global poverty so that everyone who votes in every form can make good decisions.  Nick&#8217;s post is a great example of that, and I look forward to more!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-218</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was a great post Nick. I believe in the concerted efforts of local citizens that have success with an alternative model of exchange (barter, the &quot;Ithica&quot; hours) This makes a difference on a small scale.

 In other communities it would take a willingness from citizens of the community despite general apathy and overall lack of resources to gain momentum resulting from marginalization, segragation etc. 

Despite this, there is succesful economic models on various levels(worker co-ops, barter, particapatory economics) by affluent people in this country that, in times like these, will become appealing to more and more people. This falls in line with CSA and farmers markets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great post Nick. I believe in the concerted efforts of local citizens that have success with an alternative model of exchange (barter, the &#8220;Ithica&#8221; hours) This makes a difference on a small scale.</p>
<p> In other communities it would take a willingness from citizens of the community despite general apathy and overall lack of resources to gain momentum resulting from marginalization, segragation etc. </p>
<p>Despite this, there is succesful economic models on various levels(worker co-ops, barter, particapatory economics) by affluent people in this country that, in times like these, will become appealing to more and more people. This falls in line with CSA and farmers markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-192</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must agree with Keith. Countries around the world have given the free market a try, and when it spins out of control, governments comes in to take control of the economies,  and when that spins out of control, the world, again, dogmatically turns back to the Free Market to solve all of its problems.

It&#039;s time, that we the people, try something different; a third alternative to state control and market control. That alternative is a cooperative economy that is controlled by the people. These boom &amp; bust cycles cause real suffering to working and middle class people, all while increasing the gap between the haves and the have-nots.

But these cycles of distress can be lessened if we democratically control the places where we buy our groceries; the financial institution that we place our money; the industries where we work and much, much more!

It is time for the people to offer an alternative to the state and the market, to show the world there is another way to make &quot;progress&quot; while offering equality and environmental sustainability. This is the third way, the Cooperative way. And it is a system that Equal Exchange is currently working under and actively working to promote, along with it’s Consumer Cooperative partners, it’s Producer Cooperative partners, it’s Financial Cooperative Partners and it’s Worker Owned Cooperative partners. And it is through this Cooperative economy that we can help rebuild the world’s economies, starting from the ground up, and controlled by all of us!

This may sound idealistic, but at times like these, we need idealism, we need a light to guide us forward. We need to know that the solution can rest with us, and if we start creating institutions that are controlled by the people, that we can start building our own solutions, rather than waiting the rich and the bureaucratic to attempt to do it for us. The Cooperative way is this light, and if we work together, we can use this light to guide us through yet another economic crisis created by free markets and irresponsible governments. If you are doubtful that we can do it, you only need to look at the Farmer Cooperatives that Equal Exchange works with, or the Consumer Co-ops that they sell to, or even Equal Exchange itself, which is organized as a Worker Co-op, to know that not only is this possible, but it is growing with every passing day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with Keith. Countries around the world have given the free market a try, and when it spins out of control, governments comes in to take control of the economies,  and when that spins out of control, the world, again, dogmatically turns back to the Free Market to solve all of its problems.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time, that we the people, try something different; a third alternative to state control and market control. That alternative is a cooperative economy that is controlled by the people. These boom &amp; bust cycles cause real suffering to working and middle class people, all while increasing the gap between the haves and the have-nots.</p>
<p>But these cycles of distress can be lessened if we democratically control the places where we buy our groceries; the financial institution that we place our money; the industries where we work and much, much more!</p>
<p>It is time for the people to offer an alternative to the state and the market, to show the world there is another way to make &#8220;progress&#8221; while offering equality and environmental sustainability. This is the third way, the Cooperative way. And it is a system that Equal Exchange is currently working under and actively working to promote, along with it’s Consumer Cooperative partners, it’s Producer Cooperative partners, it’s Financial Cooperative Partners and it’s Worker Owned Cooperative partners. And it is through this Cooperative economy that we can help rebuild the world’s economies, starting from the ground up, and controlled by all of us!</p>
<p>This may sound idealistic, but at times like these, we need idealism, we need a light to guide us forward. We need to know that the solution can rest with us, and if we start creating institutions that are controlled by the people, that we can start building our own solutions, rather than waiting the rich and the bureaucratic to attempt to do it for us. The Cooperative way is this light, and if we work together, we can use this light to guide us through yet another economic crisis created by free markets and irresponsible governments. If you are doubtful that we can do it, you only need to look at the Farmer Cooperatives that Equal Exchange works with, or the Consumer Co-ops that they sell to, or even Equal Exchange itself, which is organized as a Worker Co-op, to know that not only is this possible, but it is growing with every passing day!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly enough I just finished reading my home state&#039;s senator Bernie Sanders comment on the current financial    mess: &quot;This country can no longer afford companies that are &#039;too big to fail&quot; -- the full paragraph response to the crisis can be found here: http://sanders.senate.gov/
but I agree entirely Nick. While we may (this is arguable depending on how you define value and progress) gain efficiency and seemingly overall value from growing economies of scale and consolidation, we often lose some of the more intangible aspects of a social economy like knowing our clients and operating a transparent business.  With food it is even scarier because unlike some of the other material possessions we encounter in our daily lives, food makes up who we are, how we feel, and how we relate to the earth we live on. As a result of corporate consolidation most people today have no idea where their food comes from and many people would have a hard time surviving with out frozen microwavable dinners.
But to end on a positive note - non-traditional Economics, at least in academia, has recognized, at least in some small way, the importance of cooperative business and preventing consolidation (such as what&#039;s happening today) resulting in anti-competitive behavior. One good example is economist E.F. Schumacher&#039;s famous book Small is Beautiful. It&#039;s been a long time since I read it so I will just end this post with a nod to coop&#039;s from Wikipedia: &quot;For a large organization to work, according to Schumacher, it must behave like a related group of small organizations.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough I just finished reading my home state&#8217;s senator Bernie Sanders comment on the current financial    mess: &#8220;This country can no longer afford companies that are &#8216;too big to fail&#8221; &#8212; the full paragraph response to the crisis can be found here: <a href="http://sanders.senate.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://sanders.senate.gov/</a><br />
but I agree entirely Nick. While we may (this is arguable depending on how you define value and progress) gain efficiency and seemingly overall value from growing economies of scale and consolidation, we often lose some of the more intangible aspects of a social economy like knowing our clients and operating a transparent business.  With food it is even scarier because unlike some of the other material possessions we encounter in our daily lives, food makes up who we are, how we feel, and how we relate to the earth we live on. As a result of corporate consolidation most people today have no idea where their food comes from and many people would have a hard time surviving with out frozen microwavable dinners.<br />
But to end on a positive note &#8211; non-traditional Economics, at least in academia, has recognized, at least in some small way, the importance of cooperative business and preventing consolidation (such as what&#8217;s happening today) resulting in anti-competitive behavior. One good example is economist E.F. Schumacher&#8217;s famous book Small is Beautiful. It&#8217;s been a long time since I read it so I will just end this post with a nod to coop&#8217;s from Wikipedia: &#8220;For a large organization to work, according to Schumacher, it must behave like a related group of small organizations.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-186</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith;

Thanks for your comment. I may post something to this affect, so keep checking in, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. I understand the sub-prime banking crisis required a timely response, but it discourages me to see that Wall Street and the US government reacted by further consolidating the banking industry. It seems to me that the enormity of Merrill Lynch, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Stearns... was, if not entirely responsible for their demise, certainly a factor that exacerbated their reckless lending; banks with trillions of dollars in assets and millions of &quot;share-holders&quot; become less and less accountable to their individual customers (average Americans who need bank accounts and hope to retire one day), and perceive themselves to be more and more invincible. And it&#039;s absolutely the reason the entire country is feeling the aftermath; including those of us who had nothing invested in Merrill Lynch or Lehman Brothers. 

Bigger is not better, and the further removed corporations become from their clients, the less democratic and quite frankly, human, they become. I believe corporate consolidation is diluting the quality of the global economy across the board; most obviously in our food system, but also manufacturing, technology, and banking. 

Now does seem like the time for sweeping democratic reforms to our economy, but I fear we cannot rely on Wall Street or Capitol Hill. We can only hope that a few thinking Americans see through the hubris and move their money into a credit union or community-oriented bank that values people and their customers over the market-price of their stocks and their Christmas bonuses.

In cooperation,
Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith;</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I may post something to this affect, so keep checking in, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. I understand the sub-prime banking crisis required a timely response, but it discourages me to see that Wall Street and the US government reacted by further consolidating the banking industry. It seems to me that the enormity of Merrill Lynch, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Stearns&#8230; was, if not entirely responsible for their demise, certainly a factor that exacerbated their reckless lending; banks with trillions of dollars in assets and millions of &#8220;share-holders&#8221; become less and less accountable to their individual customers (average Americans who need bank accounts and hope to retire one day), and perceive themselves to be more and more invincible. And it&#8217;s absolutely the reason the entire country is feeling the aftermath; including those of us who had nothing invested in Merrill Lynch or Lehman Brothers. </p>
<p>Bigger is not better, and the further removed corporations become from their clients, the less democratic and quite frankly, human, they become. I believe corporate consolidation is diluting the quality of the global economy across the board; most obviously in our food system, but also manufacturing, technology, and banking. </p>
<p>Now does seem like the time for sweeping democratic reforms to our economy, but I fear we cannot rely on Wall Street or Capitol Hill. We can only hope that a few thinking Americans see through the hubris and move their money into a credit union or community-oriented bank that values people and their customers over the market-price of their stocks and their Christmas bonuses.</p>
<p>In cooperation,<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Valdez</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Valdez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post Nick, really. I would like to also point out that humans, by nature, are social animals. We form ourselves into groups, communities, countries, because it makes survival as a species easier. We are only as technologically advanced as we are today because human knowledge is cumulative- new information and advances are available because of what past civilizations have learned and developed. When you keep this in mind economic democracy seems natural, like common sense. The difficulty lies in getting people to think critically about their world. Apathy is the real enemy, not the super wealthy capitalists. I guess it&#039;s just so much easier to turn on the television.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Nick, really. I would like to also point out that humans, by nature, are social animals. We form ourselves into groups, communities, countries, because it makes survival as a species easier. We are only as technologically advanced as we are today because human knowledge is cumulative- new information and advances are available because of what past civilizations have learned and developed. When you keep this in mind economic democracy seems natural, like common sense. The difficulty lies in getting people to think critically about their world. Apathy is the real enemy, not the super wealthy capitalists. I guess it&#8217;s just so much easier to turn on the television.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://smallfarmersbigchange.coop/2008/09/16/271/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me like now is the perfect time for some sort of democratic economic system to be introduced on a wider scale, in light of all of the hardship the current US financial regime is going through thanks to the sub-prime mortgage mess. It does seem unlikely that any kind of drastic sweeping change would happen quickly, but if organizations such as Equal Exchange continue to provide such a great example of how successful such a model can be, I would not be surprised to see our entire system retooled overtime to use a more democratic based system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me like now is the perfect time for some sort of democratic economic system to be introduced on a wider scale, in light of all of the hardship the current US financial regime is going through thanks to the sub-prime mortgage mess. It does seem unlikely that any kind of drastic sweeping change would happen quickly, but if organizations such as Equal Exchange continue to provide such a great example of how successful such a model can be, I would not be surprised to see our entire system retooled overtime to use a more democratic based system.</p>
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